Beste mensen,
ik ben voornemens om een 300 tdi in te bouwen. Ik rij een serie 3 109 stage one, met een perkins diesel 4.236 met LT 95. Deze heeft echter de eigenschap, met name bij off road rijden, dat de carterpan tegen het diff huis komt. Het blok ligt verkeerd boven de vooras.
Nu zou ik graag weten, of een 300 tdi met lt230/R380 ingebouwd kan worden, zonder al teveel aanpassingen aan chassis.
Mogelijk dat iemand hiermee ervaring heeft, en mij iets kan vertellen. ???
specifieke vragen welke ik heb;
1) moeten de motor steunen worden veranderd/verplaatst.
2) kan de bak op de bestaande steunen worden geplaatst.
3) hoe komt de versnellingspook uit op de tunnel
4) ligt deze set (motor met bak), dan wel vrij van de vooras
Ik zal zeker nog dingen over het hoofd zien, maar alle info is heel welkom.
In afwachting tot reactie groet ik jullie allen
Marco Duine
inbouwen 300 tdi in 109 stage one V8
Re:inbouwen 300 tdi in 109 stage one V8
duine schrijft:
Ben geen series man, maar het lijkt me dat je sowieso je motorsteunen zult moeten veranderen, voor je bak vraag ik me ook af of dat zonder aanpassingen op je chassis past. Versnellingspook positie denk ik dat je het beste uitkomt als je de positie uit een Defender overneemt.
Zowel een R380 als een LT77 zijn te krijgen met een kort en lang bellhouse. Lijkt me sterk dat je met 1 van beide nog steeds je vooras tegenkomt bij het inveren.
specifieke vragen welke ik heb;
1) moeten de motor steunen worden veranderd/verplaatst.
2) kan de bak op de bestaande steunen worden geplaatst.
3) hoe komt de versnellingspook uit op de tunnel
4) ligt deze set (motor met bak), dan wel vrij van de vooras
Ben geen series man, maar het lijkt me dat je sowieso je motorsteunen zult moeten veranderen, voor je bak vraag ik me ook af of dat zonder aanpassingen op je chassis past. Versnellingspook positie denk ik dat je het beste uitkomt als je de positie uit een Defender overneemt.
Zowel een R380 als een LT77 zijn te krijgen met een kort en lang bellhouse. Lijkt me sterk dat je met 1 van beide nog steeds je vooras tegenkomt bij het inveren.
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Re: inbouwen 300 tdi in 109 stage one V8
Simple answer is that everything is possible. I even know of a SIII 88" that has a 300Tdi and R380 and still looks like a SIII 88" so the Stage One is even simpler.
Let's start with what you have at the moment:
The Stage One has a flat front so some extra space to play with so you can fit the 300Tdi Radiator and Intercooler combo in roughly the same place as it is on the 110.
You also have a deeper cut for the bellhousing in the bulkhead so you have some extra space in the back.
As there is a Diesel already in there then I'm assuming you return for the fuel which the V8 didn't have, also some form of electrical cut out for the fuel feed to stop the engine.
The brakes on the Stage One were the same as the 2.6l 6 cylinder and were designed to take the extra power (more later)
However, you are going to have to do the following:
- fabricate all the mountings from scratch Engine, gearbox and transfer box as none of the existing ones will match up.
- fabricate a new floor to accomodate the gear lever etc.
- fabricate new front and rear propshafts to get the correct angles and lenghts with the new setup
- fabricate a new handbrake mechanism to match up to the LT230
- fabricate new pipe work for the clutch slave cylinder
- seriously consider uprating the brakes as the 300Tdi is more powerful than the V8, yes you have the best front brakes of all the Series but realistically they are still crap ;)
There is a whole host of other things on the electrical, fuel and braking side that need to be considered but I won't go into detail yet.
If it were me doing the conversion, then I'd first strip the body off, leaving the bulkhead, steering gear and pedal boxes, then drop into place the gearbox so that the gear lever mechanism is in roughly the correct place, the LT95 has a pretty long belhousing so it may be better to start with the 300Tdi one first. This will then give you an indication as to where the mounts and propshafts will have to be and then see if the engine sits correctly in the engine bay.
It's going to be trial an error to start with but it is do-able.
Rob
Let's start with what you have at the moment:
The Stage One has a flat front so some extra space to play with so you can fit the 300Tdi Radiator and Intercooler combo in roughly the same place as it is on the 110.
You also have a deeper cut for the bellhousing in the bulkhead so you have some extra space in the back.
As there is a Diesel already in there then I'm assuming you return for the fuel which the V8 didn't have, also some form of electrical cut out for the fuel feed to stop the engine.
The brakes on the Stage One were the same as the 2.6l 6 cylinder and were designed to take the extra power (more later)
However, you are going to have to do the following:
- fabricate all the mountings from scratch Engine, gearbox and transfer box as none of the existing ones will match up.
- fabricate a new floor to accomodate the gear lever etc.
- fabricate new front and rear propshafts to get the correct angles and lenghts with the new setup
- fabricate a new handbrake mechanism to match up to the LT230
- fabricate new pipe work for the clutch slave cylinder
- seriously consider uprating the brakes as the 300Tdi is more powerful than the V8, yes you have the best front brakes of all the Series but realistically they are still crap ;)
There is a whole host of other things on the electrical, fuel and braking side that need to be considered but I won't go into detail yet.
If it were me doing the conversion, then I'd first strip the body off, leaving the bulkhead, steering gear and pedal boxes, then drop into place the gearbox so that the gear lever mechanism is in roughly the correct place, the LT95 has a pretty long belhousing so it may be better to start with the 300Tdi one first. This will then give you an indication as to where the mounts and propshafts will have to be and then see if the engine sits correctly in the engine bay.
It's going to be trial an error to start with but it is do-able.
Rob
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Re: inbouwen 300 tdi in 109 stage one V8
rob,
many thankx for your information, it is very usefull !!!
i think, it is a lot of work, and risk.
the hole story makes my scaring. (modification chassis....)
maybe better to fit in a 200 tdi with lt 77.
The 101 has a lt 95 gearbox inside, with short bellhousing. if it wil fit on the perkins, then the engine is moving to the bulkhead. ??
do you have any information about this point ??
marco
many thankx for your information, it is very usefull !!!
i think, it is a lot of work, and risk.
the hole story makes my scaring. (modification chassis....)
maybe better to fit in a 200 tdi with lt 77.
The 101 has a lt 95 gearbox inside, with short bellhousing. if it wil fit on the perkins, then the engine is moving to the bulkhead. ??
do you have any information about this point ??
marco
- RobStewart
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Re: inbouwen 300 tdi in 109 stage one V8
OK, a little bit of clarification is required here.
There is zero difference, in terms of the conversion, between a 300Tdi, R380 and LT230 to a 200Tdi, LT77 and LT230 so all of the above apply. (The usual suspects can fight with me in the pub car park on the finer points but let's not confuse the issue further here).
I'm not sure I understand about the short bell housing (and a 101?), are you saying that your existing setup has a short bell housing and if so then you can use the short bell housing from Ashcroft for either the LT77 or R380. The main point is that the positioning of the gearbox is the crucial point and then the rest of the conversion revolves around this.
Rob
There is zero difference, in terms of the conversion, between a 300Tdi, R380 and LT230 to a 200Tdi, LT77 and LT230 so all of the above apply. (The usual suspects can fight with me in the pub car park on the finer points but let's not confuse the issue further here).
I'm not sure I understand about the short bell housing (and a 101?), are you saying that your existing setup has a short bell housing and if so then you can use the short bell housing from Ashcroft for either the LT77 or R380. The main point is that the positioning of the gearbox is the crucial point and then the rest of the conversion revolves around this.
Rob
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Re: inbouwen 300 tdi in 109 stage one V8
de buitenafmetingen van een 200tdi zijn praktisch identiek aan die van de 300tdi, hetzelfde geldt voor de lt77/R380..... dus ik denk dat 200tdi/lt77 exact hetzelfde werkt
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Re: inbouwen 300 tdi in 109 stage one V8
Roger, I could kiss you ;)
Rob
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1975 3,5 V8 Range Rover
1989 3,5 V8 Discovery
2010 Td4e GS Freelander 2
2008 Td4 GS Freelander 2 ... yes we now have two
Re: inbouwen 300 tdi in 109 stage one V8
gents,
the problem now, with perkins engine and LT95 gearbox (long bellhousing), is that the crank shaft sump hits the diff housing while i ride off road.
i want to solve the problem.
A Land Rover 101 Forward Control has also a LT95 with sort bellhousing. If those gearbox wil fits on the perkins, then the engine wil move to the bulkhead, and i have space between crank shaft sump and the diff housing.
marco.
the problem now, with perkins engine and LT95 gearbox (long bellhousing), is that the crank shaft sump hits the diff housing while i ride off road.
i want to solve the problem.
A Land Rover 101 Forward Control has also a LT95 with sort bellhousing. If those gearbox wil fits on the perkins, then the engine wil move to the bulkhead, and i have space between crank shaft sump and the diff housing.
marco.
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Roger B.
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Re: inbouwen 300 tdi in 109 stage one V8
en moet je net zogoed je chassis aanpassen om de motorsteunen mee naar achteren te verplaatsen...
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